Medien nennen Jens Südekum „einen der einflussreichsten Ökonomen Deutschlands“ – Anlass für ein Gespräch auf dem Campus der Heinrich-Heine-Universität.
Volkswirtschaftler Jens Südekum aus Düsseldorf Wie der VWL-Professor zum Medienstar wurde
Interview | Düsseldorf · Der Ökonom über seine Karriere als Kommunikator, den Draht zu Robert Habeck und einen Rat für Düsseldorf.
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