Frau Thoms, Frau Stelzhammer, gibt es überhaupt Punkte im NRW-Wahlkampf, an denen Sie wirklich aneinander geraten?
WZ-Duell vor der Landtagswahl Über den Sinn einer Frauenquote gehen die Meinungen klar auseinander
Krefeld · Im Krefeld-Tönisvorster Wahlkreis 48 bewerben sich Meral Thoms (Grüne) und Laura Stelzhammer (FDP) um das Direktmandat für den Landtag. In der WZ-Redaktion trafen sie sich zum Streitgespräch.
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